This is for folks in Southeast Michigan looking to lower their footprint, lower energy consumption and work toward greater self sufficiency, eco-sustainability with others in community collaboration; intentional community. An email discussion group about community formation.
People are welcome here who are considering creating community as a solution to peak oil, lowering their carbon footprint and creating options for sustainable living in Southeast michigan. This is a place to discuss your ideas, get feedback, generate interest and learn from each other about community.
One Sample Guide for Community Building topics:
First Steps
• understanding the community
• power and inclusion
Issues, Goals and a Vision of the Future
• community research
• setting priorities
• vision of the future
Vision to Action
• creating a plan for action
• maintaining momentum
• recruiting volunteers to complete tasks
• dealing with accountability
Making the $$$ to Make Things Happen
• looking beyond money
• recognizing unusual resources
Evaluation for Survival and Success
• developing indicators for each goal
• keeping track of progress
• making progress visible to the community
Coaching Linking Knowledge to Action in the 21st Century
• coaching rather than technical assistance
• with rather than for or to the community
• building a skills bank for the next project
A resource for discussion guide:
http://www.heartlandcenter.info/fieldguide/project.htm
August 11th, 2008
Barry & Thierry
Hi guys,
Sounds like you're both rip roaring and ready to go! why don't you also email Bruce and Kathy, Kris and her husband, Cary, and maybe some of the folks on the email list again to invite them to join your chat here about this. I suspect there are other interested parties.
Barry, was that your realtor? and the property you were looking at? Or is that a separate property that Thierry found nearby?
If its different, what info can you share on the property you found? sounds very interesting.
Monica
August 20th, 2008
expediency
Reports are that many small to medium sized banks and at least one very big bank or investment bank is poised to fall and the credit crisis will worsen over the next two years. Comments like this from people like this shouldn't be taken lightly.
“We’re not just going to see mid-sized banks go under in the next few months ...
“We’re going to see a whopper ... one of the big investment banks or big banks.”
— Kenneth S. Rogoff
Former IMF Chief Economist
and Fed Governor
“Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are not going to exist in their present form in a few years.”
What this means is that investment capital is drying up, the fractional banking system as we know it is unwinding, and favorable mortgages could be a thing of the past soon. Some banks have already cancelled all home equity lines of credit given to their customers. For anyone that is thinking of creating a community lifeboat but has had the idea on the back burner, it's time to think about making this a priority in your life. Unless you can pay cash for this transition, you'll need the credit to make the move, and not at 20% interest with 40% down and a 5 year term (like pre WWII mortgages). Let's talk!
August 12th, 2008
land
The property Thierry found is about 15 acres on Cherry Hill west of Stommel. It is mostly wooded/overgrown and the back 6 acres is wetlands. That presents some legal issues and constraints to any development pattern you may want to design. The price per acre is better than most properties in the area, but there's probably a reason for that, the wetlands being one, and the cost to clear land another.
As result of our meetup Sunday I'm checking into how many subdivides Superoir Twp allows. I liked the idea put forward by Chris, buying land and filing for four subdivides, cluster homes and leave most of the property open space. Sure beats going through the whole PUD process and all the other issues the are facing with the 45 home Manitou Arbor Eco-village. Many advantages to that, especially if we're interested in expiditing the process. So, maybe a group size of 4-5 households would be best. I'm out there walking around these sites, will report back as things come up. Please contact me if interested and share your thoughts/needs/desires.
Barry
August 12th, 2008
Land first...
Hi Barry
I also visited that land on Cherry Hills this Sunday and I agree with you. The slope is pretty steep and ending in a wetland. I dug the soil a little bit in the upper portion. Soil looked good (not sandy at least). Another inconvenient maybe, is that I don't think the gravel road would be paved any time soon. I found the lands on the northern side of Cherry Hills more suitable but no big lots.
HOWEVER on my way back I spotted that one:
http://homesearch.premiersoldit.com/cgi-bin/homesearch/hsh?;_order=price...
Oups. For some reason the above link doen't work. Use that one instead
http://homesearch.premiersoldit.com/cgi-bin/homesearch/hsh
The property is at 9580 FORD ROAD
VERY NICE. Location is excellent. It's much bigger (70 acres), with 1/3 of open field 2/3 wooded with a creek. All this come at a premium (twice as much as the previous one) of course. I didn't go in the wooded part to check how wet it was. But definetely interesting.
I'll continue to prowl and keep you posted.
Thierry
August 13th, 2008
MLS# 27201471
How about this site?
http://homesearch.premiersoldit.com/cgi-bin/homesearch/hsh?;_template=pr...
August 12th, 2008
New link...
Still the link doesn't work
go to http://www.premiersoldit.com than search vacant land, enter Ypsilanti and sort by highest price.
July 31st, 2008
Land first
Maybe in the interest of putting this project in motion we could focus first on sighting and owning a piece of land (10-40 acres or?) and having it to improve as our individual plans, resources and needs allow. Once the land is in place you have location and something substantial to show others, you have ability to start doing some easy things like improving soil (which can take a few years) and gardening while you plan your homestead. As a group the monthly payment on vacant land divided would be pretty afordable and, worst case, you drop out without building anything. Comments?
September 22nd, 2008
Land - how much, where, and for how many?
I also think that it is a good idea to purchase land early in the process. Unless you are lucky enough to score a nice old homestead or small family farmland, good agriculture, permaculture, fruit falling from trees, will take several years to develop. If you have time, some of the best land for homesteading is the land that nobody else wants. Topography, wetlands, dense growth, can all be benefits if you've got time to evaluate and work with the land.
The major concern, for me, in buying land early, is that you need to have some idea of the size and type of community that you are looking to establish. Personally, I am looking for something larger than four households, but don't want to have to deal with the complexity of infrastructure building, site planning, and the like that Manitou Arbor among others have had to deal with. I want to have a property in place with a long term plan in mind, but that I could go put up a yurt upon and get started as soon as the situation and mood hits me. I've followed far too many projects that were or still are in the planning phases for 10 or more years. I'd like to have a project with a long range plan of 30 or 40 households, but that can develop naturally, starting from only a half dozen or so. An objective for me is to create a model of naturally occurring development and community growth that can easily be reproduced elsewhere. Having recently read the Michigan Land Division Act, I believe that this can be done without the complexity of filing and getting approval for a 'planned development' from any local municipality. The right tract(s) of land should be dividable into 15 or 20 or more individual parcels with no need for any approval process. One or more parcels could be left significantly large enough for the future possibility of a cohousing type condo project or other planned, higher density development.
How much land is the next question. General figures that I've come across indicate that a homestead needs around 4 to 5 acres of property. With ideal property, you could probably do it on less. Community homesteading may add some efficiency of land use. By other information and rough calculation, I believe that 1 to 2 acres of land per person to live off of is sustainable as long as the world population does not continue to double every few years. Based on this and objectives stated above, I am interested in a minimum of 50 acres and up to 200 acres. An ideal situation might be to purchase two adjoining pieces of land that have not been recently subdivided in the range of 50 to 80 acres each.
The final concern for me is where? Personally, I am interested in anywhere that conditions and price are good. This move will hopefully coincide with dropping out of the industrial work force for me and my family. Thus, we hope not to be tied to this or any major population center. Land price and, more important, taxes are a major factor in my ability to live debt free on minimal cash income. Cheap land in SE Michigan is $10K per acre. Through more rural areas of Michigan, some good land is going for $3K or less. I lean toward the later, especially since building prices, cost of living, property taxes, etc. tend also to be cheaper in these areas. The local political climate, laws, and building department should also be considered in choice of land.
August 4th, 2008
Land First...
Hello Barry
Couple of days I have been meaning to comment on your post.
I totally agree with you and I would be pretty sure Kermit would agree too.
Land first! I have been watching lands for sale for some time now and I think if we do not start with this, it'll be very difficult to start anything living community related. I'm sure we could get a lot of informations from Nick (Touchstone co-housing community) as he must have already gone through many of the hurdles we would certainly face, should we decide to move forward.
I'm not sure about how to acquire a piece of land as a group (association?, trust?...) and the kind of land that would be most suitable for such a project. I think it would enlightening for those interested, to have a meeting (beside our meetup meeting) to discuss about it.
Here's a link to an interesting? land for sale.
http://www.realtor.com/search/listingdetail.aspx?gate=google&source=a156...
Thierry
August 4th, 2008
Hi Thierry: Yes, there are a
Hi Thierry:
Yes, there are a variety of legal entities we could establish to purchase the land depending on our goals. It would be easy to research and discuss which would fit us best. That parcel is in an excellent location and I have been looking around there in Superior Township myself. I actually know a few people within two miles and the Superior Land Conservancy has several nature and farm preserves in the area. It is a good size for a community of up to 10 households, and I'd sure like to find land for under $10k an acre but, if we had more than five interested parties the monthly payment would be under $200 each until other construction took place. It is good that it's partly wooded and it would be a great location to preserve open space with a clustered village style development. Anyone want to discuss a time to schedule a showing (as an exercise if nothing else)?
July 4th, 2008
Borrowed from another Blog here - seemed apropos for us:
Community Works
A Hopi Elder Speaks
"You have been telling the people that this is the Eleventh Hour. Now you must go back and tell the people that this is the Hour. And there are things to be considered . . .
Where are you living?
What are you doing?
What are your relationships?
Are you in right relation?
Where is your water?
Know your garden.
It is time to speak your Truth.
Create your community.
Be good to each other.
And do not look outside yourself for the leader."
Then he clasped his hands together, smiled, and said, "This could be a good time!"
"There is a river flowing now very fast. It is so great and swift that there are those who will be afraid. They will try to hold on to the shore. They will feel they are torn apart and will suffer greatly.
"Know the river has its destination. The elders say we must let go of the shore, push off into the middle of the river, keep our eyes open, and our heads above water. And I say, see who is in there with you and celebrate. At this time in history, we are to take nothing personally, Least of all ourselves. For the moment that we do, our spiritual growth and journey comes to a halt.
"The time for the lone wolf is over. Gather yourselves! Banish the word struggle from your attitude and your vocabulary. All that we do now must be done in a sacred manner and in celebration.
"We are the ones we've been waiting for."
-- attributed to an unnamed Hopi elder
Hopi Nation
Oraibi, Arizona
July 23rd, 2008
beginning community
Greetings! I'd like to start this forum for the purposes of developing a "core group" of individuals or families willing to commit to meet weekly or bi-weekly for a few hours. The purpose of these meetings will be to discuss the feasibility and process for developing a sustainable community project. I have an MS in urban planning and have worked with cohousing groups in Michigan to learn more about the planning and building process. Peak oil is pushing me to finally act on my desire to live in a cooperative sustainable community, cohousing, eco-village or some variation.
I've been conceptualizing this type of project for years but have purposefully avoided most details as those are group decisions. I believe in a consensus decision-making model and the ultimate project develops through that. Thoughts for a basic model might include the following: location in close proximity to a town or market center with a job/customer base and rail service; adequate land for gardening (personal or market); sustainable water supply; incorporation of "zero energy" home design features and technologies; locally sourced materials and labor; aspects of permaculture, organic, biodynamic, spiritual aesthetics, etc.; cooperative model for chores / maintenance; common ownership of some tools, infrastructure; a common house or community-owned building typically used for voluntary community meals, meetings, recreation... If you are unfamiliar with these alternative communities, one thing to remember is this is NOT a commune! You have your own private home and nobody can just walk in to borrow your belongings! Think of it as a cooperative condo community for a basic structure. I have attached a PowerPoint presentation on Cohousing to give people a basic introduction to the concept and it's advantages (see below).
This should be a deliberate, thoughtful process for all but it can take at least two years from beginning meetings to move-in date, and if you believe some of what you read and see, we may not have a functioning mortgage industry by then. So, while we must aproach this methodically, carefully, professionally, we do not have time to doddle. Luckily for us, this is the time to buy or build as there's a lot of unemployed builders out there offering deals.
Thoughts- living close to work will become critical, so we need to consider that in any land location choices.
10-15 households is an ideal range for a project like this and we should have the land and resources to accomodate hobby gardeners and people wanting to earn a second income and provide food security for themselves. I'm a slow food "foodie" and my wife's a chef, so sharing a community and garden space with other food enthusiasts would make for some great experiences!
OK, I'll leave this here for now, and hope for feedback. Think about your level of interest and a time/day that you could commit a 2-3 hour block each week or two. Thanks, I'm excited about this opportunity to live my values!
September 22nd, 2008
Meetings
I am very interested in holding meetings regarding establishing sustainable, off-grid, self-sufficient, symbiotic community. This has been my plan for several years now. Recently inspired by reading "The Good Life", I have a need to get things moving on this plan.
I currently live in Touchstone cohousing in Ann Arbor and am happy to offer our common house for meetings. We joined Touchstone largely to gain experience in community building before doing something more radical. We are very happy that we joined and are pleased to live here. We have learned more than we expected in this project and continue to learn every day. However, it is still too mainstream for our eventual hopes and desires. We are now ready to start working on a new community while continuing to develop and improve our existing one. We also have several other people around here that are interested in establishing a more radical community. I hope to have a preliminary meeting sometime in the next couple of weeks. If any of you are interested please send me any time, day, date preferences that you may have. I'll announce the meeting both here and on the 'peak oil' list.
July 30th, 2008
cohousing and a variety of community ideas
Hi Barry, Sad you missed our meeting tonite - Nick Miema of Sunward cohousing (and the additional 2 communities) came - having been invited by Thierry. He appears, as a developer of cohousing, to be interested in drawing people to the last of the 3 communities they are finishing up on their site out near Sunward... and also interested in working with a group to develop another community elsewhere and he has at least one land parcel in mind....
Other folks in the group seem to have a desire to do something that is lower energy and more self sufficient -- with some form of 'community' off-grid (guess that doesnt mean it couldn't be cohousing but most are rather traditionally on-grid) and doing permaculture/food systems as part of the design, and possibly more additional
modifications of a traditional cohousing situation. I think it'd be interesting to investigate/explore a blend of ideas with Christine Snyder and her partner as part of that discussion -- so I hope you can make it to that. If not a blend of ideas for one community, then perhaps 2 adjoining or adjacent communities representing different levels of on to 'off grid' continuum in community - with maybe shared food growing or some additional shared ventures... Nick seemed to think that as Sunward 'seeded' other communities on adjacent land that this has allowed them much more possibility/flexibility in collaborating and having a variety of people nearby and committed who have varying skill sets/expertise.
Looking forward to a good discussion/sharing on these ideas! Hopefully soon some of the other "community minded" members will get on and find time to post.
Monica
Note upcoming event: Off Grid community - and the Zero Energy Home
Location:
Monica's
301 S. Washington St
Ypsilanti, MI 48197
734 485 9196
Chris Coon and his partner Christina Snyder (Adjunct professor Lawrence Tech Univ) - Have been involved with the development/planning of the Manitou Arbor Ecovillage. http://www.manitouarb... And Chris has long been involved with alternative technology. Christina is an architect who has background designing cohousing and energy-efficient homes --
Chris will be talking about his ideas about how to do an off-grid community which he's been working on and envisioning for a long time...and giving details on his proposal for buying area land to start an eco-community, as well as addressing what kinds of considerations should be made in taking on such a task - which should be interesting for any group members who've been thinking about starting their own community.
And Christina will present on : "Lessons from the Zero Energy Home" and discuss the results of the Lawrence Tech. University students entries in the State of Michigan Zero Energy Home Competitions. Participants will discover how the lessons can be applied to owners or renters home construction and remodeling projects now, as well as future directions to explore in sustainable design.
Christina Snyder is an architect and principal of Sustainable Spaces, where she specializes in appropriate architecture, such as passive solar design, natural building materials and systems. She is an adjunct professor (at Lawrence Tech. U.) to the first and second place winning student teams in the first Michigan Zero Energy Home Competition.
This should be relevant to those of us who are interested in community -- and those of us interested in urban retrofit and low energy consumptive housing.